The Tribe
Events, Life, Musings| April 1st, 2005

Anyway, whatever you say about Quesada’s business acumen, the man is a whoop-ass artist. Check out Batman: Sword of Azrael.
Anyway, we followed the Marvel crew back inside, keeping our rightful place at the head of the line. Axel Alonso was with the group, along with Erik Larson, Bob Wiacek, and some other guys I’m sure I would have known by name.
That’s the thing about comic book people. You can show me any drawing by one of a few hundred artists, and I could tell you whose work it is, but that same guy could pass me on the street and I’d never know. More on that later.
So we get in and have first pick of seats. We get dead center with good elevation without being too far from the screen, and wait as the stars arrive.
Now by stars, I mean comic book stars, not Hollywood stars. This wasn’t an LA premiere. No Jessica Alba here, I’m afraid.
But frankly, comic book stars are better in a lot of ways. There are plenty of actresses I would like to fuck, and plenty of actors I would like to be, but I can’t think of any that I idolize. Frank Miller, the creator of Sin City, on the other hand, is someone I’ve looked up to as a writer and artist for decades. One of the first comics I ever bought, and which changed my life and influenced my creative side irrevocably, was Daredevil #189:

Comic book people, though, they’re just happy to find someone else who speaks their language.
Frank Miller touched on this in his introduction to the film. This is a man who has been burned by Hollywood multiple times. Robocop II, Daredevil, Elektra, you name it. So many things that Frank poured his heart and soul into got turned to shit by Hollywood executives. That’s why he refused to option Sin City to ANYone for YEARS. As he put it, “Who do you trust with your baby?”
No one, it seems. Frank insisted on creative control of this one, and co-director Robert Rodriguez gave it to him, even though it meant quitting the Hollywood Director’s Union (Guild?) to do it. Finally, someone gave Frank the respect he’s earned in spades.
Frank talked about how this movie took his work and used it to springboard into something totally new, and he didn’t want to thank Hollywood, he wanted to thank the people in the room, for making it happen. The only people invited to the premiere were comic creators, buyers, retailers, and a few hardcore fans with connections. Frank called us his Tribe, and it made us all feel proud.
The movie was FANTASTIC. I’ll talk about that another time.
Afterwards, we all went to a nearby ballroom for the afterparty. It was in a basement bar with red lights and Sin City art projected in slideshows on the wall. The open bar was serving top shelf liquor. Jay and I started drinking heavily.
When our nerves were calmed, we started to wander. As I mentioned, since you never actually see them, most comic book people can pass unnoticed in a crowd. Thus, we probably missed a bunch. Jay knows a lot of them by sight, though, as it is his business to know them, even if they don’t know him. He assigned me to shake Frank’s hand by the end of the night, but Frank had disappeared, so that seemed unlikely.
However, there was plenty of royalty to be found. We saw comic book legend Neal Adams try to give money to a homeless woman on the way to the party, only to be rebuffed as the insane woman chose to shout at him instead. I didn’t hear what she said, but Neal laughed and took it in stride. Even many of the other comic book pros were in awe of him.
The same went for Joe and his son Andy Kubert, founders of an art school, and both with impressive resumes of their own. Joe Kubert and Neal Adams are the guys who got the guys who got me into comics into comics. Know what I mean?
Similar bigwigs included former Marvel Comics Editor-in-Chief Big Jim Shooter. Jim was the man in charge during my comics heyday, and like many others, I have a love/hate relationship with him. Love or hate him, though, the man is a legend. Writing JLA at age 14 was just the start for him, and while his original Secret Wars companywide crossover spawned generations of evil marketing that ruined comics for over a decade, I can’t deny that I loved every issue of that year-long limited series when it came out, and it got me buying a LOT of other comics I hadn’t been interested in up to that point.
Also on hand and carrying major presence was Walt Simonson. If you haven’t read his work on Thor, get to it. Walt has a big bushy beard and wears a flannel shirt everywhere. He’s got more talent than half the people in that room put together.
Jay accidentally smacked Jim Lee, one of the primary founders of Image comics at one point in the night. You don’t know how weird it is for a comic geek to have to say, “Oh, excuse me, Jim Lee!”
On the food line, I was chatting about the movie with a guy who looked REALLY familiar. Turns out he was Bob Wiacek, the inker (it’s NOT tracing) whose career I would have KILLED for when I was 16. Bob has worked on every major book you can think of, but I remember him best for his work on Power Pack, because I met him at a tiny little convention in White Plains when I was like 12, and he drew me a free picture of Jack Power. Joe Sinnott was at the next table, charging $20 a sketch. What a dick. What 12 year old has $20 to spend on a sketch?
Later on in the evening, Frank made the rounds, and I cornered him by the buffet while he was chatting with Erik Larson. I told him my mission was to shake his hand that night, and he graciously obliged. Then I said how I felt Hollywood had really done him wrong over the years, and how happy I was to finally see a project that was worthy of the source material he created. He told me it was only because he had retained creative control that this was something he was willing to directly attach his name to. I showed him my brass zippo from his book 300 and told him I had been carrying it around for years.
Frank was a really unassuming and quiet guy. Not rude or dismissive, but apparently uncomfortable with all the attention he was getting and unsure of how to react to it. It’s especially weird, because his work has always been bold, decisive, and groundbreaking. He I a true artist in every sense of the word.
When Frank was swept away by the next well-wisher, I talked to Erik Larson about his book The Savage Dragon, asking whatever happened to the cartoon series that was supposed to come of it.
“It ran for two seasons,” Erik told me, making me feel pretty dumb. “Two shitty, shitty, seasons,” he added, which mollified me somewhat. “It was awful. Really. 26 crappy episodes.” We laughed, and talked a bit more before I moved on.
At the end of the night, I went up to Jeff Smith, creator of Bone. I had read the collections of his book back in ’95 when I managed the now out-of-business comic specialty shop Comic Attitudes in the Westchester Mall. I had since fallen off until he finished the series recently and put the whole collection into one GIGANTIC phone book.
“I just boiled the work of the last fifteen years of your life down into 7 hours of reading,” I said, giving him the necessary ice-breaking laugh. “It was a great 7 hours,” I amended. Jeff was a really nice guy, but I didn’t have a lot to say beyond that.
“It was my wife’s idea to put it all in one volume,” he said, introducing me to the lovely Mrs. Smith and giving her her due. “It was great to read it all in one volume,” I said. “It’s difficult to keep the thread of the overall story over more than a decade, but this format worked great. The only problem was that the weight of the book cracked the spine.”
Suddenly, I had Jeff’s complete attention. “Did you lose any pages?” he asked.
Now I was in my element. I’m in printing by trade if not desire, and I knew what I was talking about. We spent then next few minutes animatedly talking shop about print bindings. His publisher swore that he could never get a perfect bound book to hold more than 800 pages, and Bone topped out at 1325. Still, as I can attest the spin may have cracked, but it didn’t tear, and no pages fell out.
Just goes to show what publishers know.
All in all it was an amazing night. Well worth the hangover the next day.
It’s good to be in the Tribe.



April 11th, 2005 at 12:24 pm
1 The Pickytarian (mail) (web)
3:04 pm, apr 1, 2005 EST (delete) (report spam)
Awesome! Congrats on meeting so many creators. Sounds like you didn’t make too much of an ass of yourself in front of them, which is a big plus.
Speaking of meeting comci book creators when we were twelve, remember the time that I asked Terry Austin why he wasn’t a real artist? Good times, good times.
2 Peat (mail) (web)
3:16 pm, apr 1, 2005 EST (edit) (delete) (report spam)
Poor Terry. I felt so bad for him that day at the Museum of Cartoon Art. No one wanted to ask him any questions because he was sitting next to John Byrne, who was at the height of his career at the time.
At least you didn’t call him a tracer.
3 Jay (mail)
3:16 pm, apr 1, 2005 EST (delete) (report spam)
Pete’s words ring true. It was an amazing night for a comics fan. My work as editor of the SFBC really really paid off as I had a great time at the movie and at the party. Meeting guys like Erik Larson and talking shop to Frank Miller was priceless. There wasn’t enough time and opportunity to meet and talk to all the talented people in the room, but it felt right being there. With many of the retailers and people I’ve met over the years in comics-selling there, it felt like home…like one of the tribe.
-Jay
4 Myke (mail) (web)
11:39 am, apr 2, 2005 EST (delete) (report spam)
Wow! How do I get into the tribe? If you guys let me in, I promise not to cause any trouble. I’ll just sit in the back and not say anything. Honest!
5 matt (mail)
2:51 pm, apr 3, 2005 EDT (delete) (report spam)
I don’t know… I saw the movie yesterday and there were two big problems that nobody in any of the glowing reviews seems to want to acknowledge:
1. Every single bit of “action” involving bodies flying around or characters jumping off of or onto things or in a few cases, just throwing a punch, looked so riduculously fake that it took me right out of the movie. An over-reliance on wire work and strange angles that look right in a comic but don’t translate onto screen, just made too much of this flick look cheesy (like Marv dragging the guy outside of the car… Why are the guy’s feet gently floating three feet above the ground?). There was no life to any of the action. When a movie like Spider-Man, where the action is taking place in such unrealistic ways (on the side of a building, in mid-air), can be so believable and kinetic, there’s really no excuse for a movie about thugs with guns to look so fake and clumsy.
2. Forget Michael Madsen’s shitty acting. EVERYONE in this movie, with the exception of maybe Mickey Rourke and Powers Boothe (and I guess Elijah Wood, since he had no dialogue) gave the most half-assed, reading-straight-from-the-script-without-memorizing-their-lines performances. Almost every scene played like a highschool play or a rehearsal for the REAL movie. Its a testament to “real” moviemaking, where there are sets and a true environment for the actors to work in. This felt very much like a bunch of actors standing around in a small studio in front of a green screen — which is what it was. A few more rehearsals, or maybe some additional takes to choose from would have been a good idea.
I liked the movie. But I definitely didn’t love it the way I thought I would.
6 Myke (mail) (web)
3:24 pm, apr 3, 2005 EDT (delete) (report spam)
Eh, I think you’re missing the directorial point. I thought the wire action and deadpan delivery was an attempt to directly render the feeling of the graphic novel into moving cinema. I thought it translated perfectly. That brought me deeper into the experience. I’m surprised to hear it was the opposite for you.
7 Peat (mail) (web)
11:20 pm, apr 3, 2005 EDT (delete) (report spam)
No one is getting an academy award for their acting, but there were quite a few good performances mixed with the bad Mickey Rourke was great, Jessica Alba was WAY better than I expected, and Bruce Willis hit his stride after a little initial stumbling. The strict dialogue adherence to the comic was a weakness at times, but a lot of it admittedly had to do with poor delivery.
As for the stylized action, it didn’t bother me. I wasn’t watching Kill Bill or Spider-Man, nor was I looking to.
Visually, I think th movie was stunning. I have never seen a movie with that kind of look and feel, and I think for that reason alone, it deserves a few awards, and everyone should go see it.
8 Jay (mail)
10:09 am, apr 4, 2005 EDT (delete) (report spam)
I’d have to agree with Myke and Peat (first time I’m using their alternate-spelled names, feels naughty). I thought the way to make a non-superhero movie feel somehow “super” in the action was to exaggerate. When marv leapt or smashed someone, it looked pretty cool to me. One of my favorite sequences is when Wendy kept smashing him with that little car. It was surreal, but like Myke said, the comic transferred to the big screen.
Admittedly, I wasn’t going in lookin for issues with the film, but I think the translation was the most-pure I’ve seen. I think Spider-Man had a bit more cash to throw around, and it worked, the fight scene on the side of the building with Doc Oc was amazing.
Lastly, as flat as it may have sounded at times, I’m glad they kept as much as the dialoge from the pages as they did. Most of it was written over ten years ago, and if it was my comic book baby up there, I wouldn’t care how it sounded…I was waiting for half those lines just as I had waited for Wolverine to get a little blood lust and plunge those claws into a govt agent…it was there for the fans..I’d go with purity over hollywood changing everything. I just don’t go comparing it to everything else. It is way too different to do that. None of those other movies had as much narration as Sin City did, so it feels clunky because of that format…come on, that fight with Kevin in the razor wire…genius.
9 Matt (mail) (web)
11:37 am, apr 4, 2005 EDT (delete) (report spam)
I never said anything about CHANGING things, or even about a bigger budget being necessary. Sin City is a gritty, down-in-the-gutter world, so if anything, maybe a smaller budget would have been even better. Less gloss.
Also, for such a violent movie, not much of it looked like it hurt. I just didn’t feel like a lot of it was kinetic or visceral enough. When Dwight leaps off that building, why is he floating to the ground? That looked retarded. Now, when he was smashing Jackie Boy’s face into the toilet, THAT was great — violent, fast, no misplaced wires. Just fast, brutal violence.
But Benicio Del Torro’s weird raspy voice was a bad acting choice — In a movie with THREE raspy monotone voiceovers, there were plenty of better ways he could have played Jackie Boy so not to seem redundant. And Brittany Murphy is just grating. Her delivery was out of a highschool performance of Guys and Dolls, and she looked like she probably cracked up laughing immediately after the camera cut away from her. I got this same impression about Michale Madsen and Bruce Willis, and a few others.
The Marv stuff was best in terms of visceral, kinetic violence — battling Kevin, escaping the building, etc — but it was also two Marv scenes that looked the worst to me and took me out of the movie entirely (both back-to-back clips involving nonsensical physics, where Marv is torturing some anonymous goons, and it ends up looking like someone spilled a little Tinker Bell fairy dust on their ankles).
But like I said, the Kevin stuff is good. You’d think, with all that flipping around, HIS character would be the one with all the cheesy wire work. Not so. Same with Miho. Not cheesy. So the spots where it IS stupid looking are all the more annoying because somebody made the decision to leave those bits as is.
If the argument is that these were artistic choices meant to retain a sense of the comic, then I should have been watching two hours worth of still shots of Mickey Rourke et al, with only their mouths moving. You know, like the old Marvel cartoons with Thor and the Sub-Mariner. A comic panel captures a single freeze-framed moment of action in what, in the readers mind, is a vibrant living scene. It is just a dumb looking move to have a guys legs floating three feet int he air when his face is being dragged along the pavement alongside a moving car. There’s a difference between staying true to the source material and letting yourself get held back by it.
It was a decent flick, but there was more than enough of this nitpicky crap in the movie to keep my boxers dry.
10 Dani (mail)
1:59 pm, apr 8, 2005 EDT (delete) (report spam)
Okay, boys. I’ve finally seen the flick, so let me give you a woman’s point of view.
The only thing I knew about Sin City was the Marv action figure in the electric chair that shakes and says, “Is that all you got, you pansies?” when you flip the switch, and Peat’s huge poster of Nancy’s ass that used to hang in the library. Not exactly a girl’s idea of entertainment.
But holy motherfucking shit, was that a good movie.
Yes, Michael Madsen can’t act his way out of a paper bag; he couldn’t in Kill Bill either. But whatever.
Yes, some of the effects were completely over the top, even for a comic book movie. But whatever.
And yes, there were turds floating in the toilet and Jackie Boy was covered in puke and piss, all things I hate seeing because I’m a squeamish little woman. But whatever.
Small issues compared to the larger picture of a fucking awesome movie.
As soon as we walked out of the theatre last night, I wanted to turn around and head right back in to see it again!
I haven’t read the books yet, but I certainly will now. This girl has had her eyes opened to the gritty world of Old Town.
Besides, I want to see more of Gladys.
11 Matt (mail) (web)
9:54 am, apr 11, 2005 EDT (delete) (report spam)
You are just a Peat groupie. Why don’t you just marry the guy already.